Note: This is a much longer version of my "Countering the Moral Argument" video/paper that goes through each objection listed there in far greater detail.
The moral argument for god’s existence is one of the most
common arguments apologists will use in debates with atheists. It also tends to
be one of the most misunderstood arguments, which I think contributes to its
persistence in sticking around despite having been debunked a long time ago.
This paper will focus on two objectives.
1. The
primary goal is showing the Moral Argument is false.
2.
Showing inherent problems with the theistic moral
system that underlies the moral argument.
Note why these are two separate goals, because one can show
that the moral argument is false, but still hold to a theistic ethical system.
I’d like to start by presenting the argument as it is
commonly defended by popular apologists like William Lane Craig:
1.) If
god does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist.
2.) Objective
moral values exist.
3.)
Therefore god exists.
First off let’s get the easy caveats out of the way. The
argument does not say that:
● Atheists
can’t act morally
●
Atheists can’t tell the difference between right
and wrong.
Here’s what the argument does try and say:
1.
Atheists do not have a basis for an objective morality
on their worldview.
The argument alleges that atheists are somehow being
inconsistent by not believing in a god while still believing that morality can
be objective.
Now that we’ve established what the moral argument is trying
to do, let’s get started with identifying exactly what apologists mean when
they use this argument.
Definitions
Like other apologetic arguments, what seems simple up front
hides a lot of philosophical nuance being baked into the premises. More than
other arguments, I feel that once we charitably explain exactly what an
apologist means with their premises, the argument loses a lot of its force.
The first premise is where most of the contention is for the
argument, and it’s also where the most ambiguity lies. It’s also a bit confusing, especially if
you’re not a theist.
1.)
If god does not exist, then objective moral values do
not exist.
At first glance, one would wonder what god has to do with
moral values at all. At the very least
it’s not immediately obvious. One might
be tempted to think this premise is quite silly, the perfect example of a
logically valid argument that is not sound:
1.) If
2+2=4, then leprechauns exist.
2.) 2+2=4
3.)
Therefore leprechauns exist.
In order to avoid this issue with the moral argument,
apologists have to give us some kind of link between their concept of god and
objective moral values.
Apologists and theologians who use the moral argument are
all too ready with to provide such an explanation, and I’m going to present
their case as charitably as I can.
Classical theists, which most Christians are, believe that
“goodness” itself is “ontologically equivalent” with “god’s nature”.
If you’re like me before I started studying philosophy,
you’re asking “What the hell does it mean to be “ontologically equivalent”?
The best example used in apologetic literature is the
relationship between water and H2O. For
anyone who hasn’t taken a high school chemistry class, a water molecule is made
up of two hydrogen atoms bonded with a single oxygen atom, represented by the
notation: H2O.
The point of the example is that water simply IS two
hydrogen atoms bonded with a single oxygen atom, which is another way to say
that water is ontologically equivalent with H2O. This however does not mean that water is
simply defined as H2O, or more importantly that we have to understand the
basics of chemistry to understand what water is. In fact entire generations of
humans have lived their lives without the knowledge that water is H2O, but
never the less we would say they knew what water is.
Apologists say it is exactly the same way with “goodness”
and god’s nature. One doesn’t have to
know of or believe in a god to apprehend what “goodness” is, but that doesn’t
change the fact that on their view, goodness is ontologically equivalent with
god’s nature.
To express this in an equivalent way for the moral argument,
consider this argument:
1.) If
H2O does not exist, then water does not exist.
2.) Water
exists.
3.)
Therefore H2O exists.
Translating this back into the moral argument, we get a much
clearer picture of what an apologist is actually saying:
1. If
god does not exist, then objective [god’s nature] does not exist
2. Objective
[god’s nature] exists.
3.
Therefore god exists.
With a clear understanding of what the moral argument is
actually trying to say, it immediately starts breaking down. This is because while many people, including
atheists want to say something like “objective moral values exist”, they
certainly wouldn’t agree that “moral values are ontologically equivalent to
god’s nature”. If the apologist expects
us to swallow that premise, then they’ve got quite a lot more work to do, and I
intend to show that their attempts at this endeavor fail rather horribly.
Before we move on, I’d like to make a technical point. This
kind of move does not render the moral argument circular or fallacious since
the claim that’s being made is ontological, not semantic. Ie. They’re not simply defining moral values
as “god’s nature”.
Just what is “The
Good”?
What I hope to have shown is that the entire debate about
the moral argument really hinges on exactly how we understand, semantically and
ontologically, what moral values are.
This is a perennial and highly controversial debate in moral philosophy
that has been going on for literally millennia, well before even Christianity
was remotely on the scene.
So far, the apologist has a very daunting task – to convince
us that we should accept that moral values are equivalent with god’s
nature. This seems doomed to fail from
the start, but I’d like to look at how this could remotely be attempted.
One case for tying “objective moral values” to god’s nature
can come from a metaphysical view that moral values must be a fundamental part
of reality. This can be a confusing
concept, so let me illustrate with an example.
Consider an atheist who is a crude reductive
materialist. They think that all only matter
exists, at least when talking about what exists in terms of fundamental
categories of reality. Basically if it’s
not made up of sub-atomic particles, it’s not a fundamental part of reality.
Compare this with a Platonist or Christian dualist who defends
the moral argument. Their picture of
fundamental reality is going to much more diverse. They will think matter & sub-atomic
particles exist as a category, but they think other equally real categories
exist that don’t reduce down into one another. Things like “minds” and “moral
values” exist as separate, distinct categories of reality.
What I want to make clear is that the proponent of the moral
argument thinks of moral values, or specifically the good, as its own
“fundamental thing”. I like to call this
view the “Grand Metaphysical Object” view, or GMO for short.
Now if we take the GMO view, then at least it starts to
become more plausible that “goodness” would be ontologically equivalent to
god’s nature, since god is his own “Grand Metaphysical Object”.
However, this still doesn’t give the apologist what they
need in order for Premise 1 to be true.
Because even if one does think that “goodness” or moral values must
exist as a GMO, Premise 1 is still false.
This is because an atheist who thinks moral values must be a
grand metaphysical object could just adopt the philosophical view that
Christian theology stole these concepts from a couple thousand years ago –
moral Platonism.
Basically, one could think that “goodness” exists as a
platonic ideal form, but not include god in their ontological picture.
This isn’t to say that I think Platonism is the correct
view, but it’s no less defensible than a generic theistic meta-ethics. Arguments against an atheistic Platonism
typically center on the idea that if such platonic objects exist, how is it
that we could come to know of these kinds of objects, especially given a belief
in unguided evolution. There are
responses from contemporary Platonists, which entail accepting other
metaphysical positions on controversial topics like causality. My point here isn’t to get into the
specifics on the arguments for and against Platonism, so much as it is to point
out that theistic meta-ethics suffer from much the same issue.
Theists don’t really provide a how explanation as to how
human nature is supposed to perceive the “good” as a reflection of god’s
nature, so much as they just assume that we do because god just made it that
way. There’s nothing to stop a Platonist
from asserting that the platonic forms “just have” some kind of a similar
perceptual or causal connection to the physical world.
The main point in all this is to say that even if you
thought moral values had to be a kind of grand metaphysical object in order to
count as “real”, then the moral argument is still false.
But the more interesting question is do we even have to
consider moral values to be a grand metaphysical object in order for them to
count as real?
Moral Realism and
Atheism
Why should we consider the “grand metaphysical object” view
of morality to be the only game in town when it comes to getting an objective
morality?
Objective could be used as a key, in that if the apologist
was to use the word to mean “object-like” could be a way to insinuate that, but
why would we care? We can have objective, independent reasons that apply
equally to all moral agents, to adjudicate between right and wrong. In fact, it is this second kind of
objectivity that’s referred to in debates about the moral argument:
“To
say that there are objective moral values is to say that something is right or
wrong independently of whether anybody believes it to be so. It is to say, for
example, that Nazi anti-Semitism was morally wrong, even though the Nazis who
carried out the Holocaust thought that it was good; and it would still be wrong
even if the Nazis had won World War II and succeeded in exterminating or
brainwashing everybody who disagreed with them.”
-Dr. William Lane Craig, “The
Indispensability of Theological Meta-Ethical Foundations for Morality” http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/meta-eth.html
What’s important to note here is that there’s a difference
between “objective” moral values and any notion of moral values “existing” as a
grand metaphysical object. This is an
important distinction to realize: moral objectivism is quite different from
moral realism.
If moral values are simply the basis that moral agents use
to determine between right and wrong actions, then we can have an objective
moral value system that does not require a “value” to exist as some
object. On this conception of morality,
it would be equivalent to something like “money” or “chess”. One certainly would say that these things
“exist” even if it is only a concept that is used by human beings, and we can
derive objective facts about these kind of things.
I’m touching on a debate about what counts as “moral realism”. Moral realism is a philosophical position
that there are true moral facts that accurately describe reality. That’s a bit confusing if you’re not into
philosophy, so let’s use an illustration.
Consider the following two statements:
1.) I
used to own a pit bul.
2.)
It is morally wrong to torture babies for fun.
Moral realism holds that both statements, if true, are true
in the same way. That is the statements actually describe some facts about
reality.
Suffice it to say, if one is a moral realist, you will affirm
premise two of the moral argument.
One of the things that isn’t brought up often enough in
debates over the moral argument is that the majority of “moral realist”
theories in contemporary philosophy are completely compatible with atheism.
There’s John Rawls’s Social Contract theory, various forms
of consequentialism, Railton’s Reductive Naturalism, the Ideal Observer Theory,
and a host of others. Each of these
theories provides a basis for moral agents to be able to tell the difference
between right and wrong in an objective way.
There are entire families of “atheism compatible” moral
realist theories that satisfy the criteria of there being objective moral
values in the sense Dr. Craig describes with his Nazi example. The list provided above isn’t even close to
exhaustive. This is why the moral
argument is so unconvincing to anyone who has spent time studying moral
philosophy. One of the first things that
become clear is that there are a plethora of meta-ethical theories out there
that can get us to this kind of “objective moral values”.
An apologist might counter that the above kinds of
conceptions of morality don’t actually count as moral realist views as they
don’t get you a Grand Metaphysical Object kind of morality. Sometimes you’ll hear them refer to “robust
moral realism” in order to indicate belief in the “Grand Metaphysical Object”
style of moral values. My response there
is to ask why it should matter if there is no Grand Metaphysical Object.
This is because even if one denies the Grand Metaphysical
Object style of moral values, they can still get an objective moral value
system that gives the atheist a basis for discerning between right and wrong,
like in Dr. Craig’s Nazi example. All
that we’re arguing over is a semantic issue on whether or not such systems
count as “real” even if they’re not fundamental parts of reality, but rather if
morality was a “real” as “the economy” or “baseball”. The point is that
atheism, even if one is a naturalist or materialist, allows one to avoid
collapse into nihilism or moral relativism.
This is the second reason why the moral argument is false.
What I want to do next is show how the moral argument is rendered false by its
own criteria for justification.
Criteria for
Justification
So far we’ve only touched on premise one of the moral
argument, which is by far its most controversial. However, I want to spend a
little bit of time talking about premise two: Objective Moral Values Exist.
I don’t really want to get into the debate about whether
objective moral values exist or not, since it’s immaterial to the debate. What I do want to point out is the
apologist’s justification for accepting premise two – an appeal to what
philosophers call our deeply held, pre-theoretical moral intuitions.
Consider this often repeated refrain from William Lane Craig
in his debates on the moral argument:
“But the problem is that objective values do exist, and deep down we all
know it. There's no more reason to deny the objective reality of moral
values than the objective reality of the physical world.”
-William Lane Craig, Does God Exist? http://www.reasonablefaith.org/does-god-exist-1
(Emphasis added)
The key here is that no one can really show, deductively or empirically
that objective moral values do exist. What we get is an appeal to
intuitions. Besides this intuitive
appeal, the best an apologist will give us is something to the effect about how
if we all believe that objective moral values don’t exist, then life becomes
unlivable. But that in itself doesn’t
mean that objective moral values exist, merely that we need a belief in them to
have a functioning society. Plus, such
an appeal can do as much work for a moral system that is compatible with
atheism.
For now, the main point here is that the criteria the moral argument
uses to justify premise two is simply an appeal to our strongly held moral
intuitions. This appeal takes the form of:
1.
Our intuitions strongly indicate that morality is
objective.
2.
We should trust our intuitions enough to believe that
morality is objective.
What I intend to show next is how this poses a significant problem for
the moral argument.
The Euthyphro Dance
One of the most famous objections to a theistic basis for
morality came from Socrates in what’s called the Euthyphro Dilemma. Paraphrasing,
here’s the dilemma:
“Is
something good because god says it is, or does god say something is good
because of some other quality it has?”
This seems to leave an apologist with two horns, equally bad
for their position. Either something is
good because god says so, in which case goodness is simply arbitrary. On the
other hand if god says something is good because of some other quality, then
god has nothing to do with what makes something good or evil.
It’s almost impossible to discuss the moral argument and not
have the Euthyphro come up, and for good reason. It’s my view that the Euthyphro does end up
leading to a good objection to theistic meta-ethics, but it just takes a bit
more work to get there. Apologists have a ready-made response to the Euthyphro
as I presented it above, and in a timed debate this is usually as far as things
get. However what I want to show is that the apologist’s response only pushes
the problem back a bit, which brings out a back-and-forth I like to call the “Euthyphro
Dance”. Once we’ve started the Euthyphro
Dance, eventually the apologist will succumb to one of the horns of the
dilemma.
The first step in the Euthyphro Dance is for the apologist
to attempt to split the horns of the Euthyphro dilemma with the following response:
“The
Euthyphro is a false dilemma because “goodness” is actually identical to “god’s
nature”. As such when god gives a divine command, it is necessarily good
because it’s impossible for god to go against his nature. In this way, god’s commands are not arbitrary
and goodness does not exist apart from god.”
This gets into what I brought up in the first section, where
the apologist believes that “goodness” is ontologically equivalent with “god’s
nature”, like the relationship between water and H2O.
Normally in a debate, the time constraints let the apologist
leave the issue here with them appearing to refute the dilemma. The problem is that this is not at all the
end of the exchange, because as philosopher Jeremy Koons points out, the
Euthyphro dilemma has merely been pushed back a step.
Essentially Koon’s asks “are the properties like
loving-kindness, impartiality, and generosity good because god possesses them
in his nature, or does god possess them in his nature because they are good?”
In this case, the apologist is forced to choose the first
horn – things like love, generosity, etc. are only good because god possesses
them.
This leads to a few significant problems for the moral
argument.
The first issue is that by admitting things like love are
good only because god’s nature is
loving, this entails the following counter-factual is true:
Consider a situation where two humans express love for each
other. This expression of love has the same basic motivations behind it, and
the same effects on both parties. According
to Divine Command Theory if god exists, this can be called good. However if god
does not exist, this exact same situation cannot be called good.
In short, Modified Divine Command Theory says that the
intentions and consequences of an action have absolutely no bearing on the
goodness of that action.
This conclusion is extremely
counter-intuitive, and violates our deeply held pre-theoretical moral
intuitions. The very same intuitions
that apologists need to appeal to in order to justify the idea that objective
moral values really do exist.
This puts the apologist in a dilemma. If they want to hold that our intuitions can
be good enough to justify belief in objective moral values, then they have to
deal with the fact that they must also say those intuitions are wrong about
what it is that makes love good.
Brute Facts and
Philosophical Primitives
A further problem for the apologist is that what ends up
happening is that they merely end up embracing the first horn of the Euthyphro
dilemma after all. In the end, something
is good just because it exists in god’s nature, and for no other reason.
What we see in William Lane Craig’s response to this charge
is to say that this isn’t a problem because it is playing on the fact that what
morality is at base is going to be what’s known as a primitive. That is an object that can’t be broken down
further into other concepts.
This is actually fine, as far as it goes. Many, if not most
moral theories will eventually come down to this kind of a primitive as to what
makes something “good”. However what
often goes unnoticed in debates is that apologists like Craig have just
shifted, they’re no longer defending the moral argument, but rather defending
their theistic meta-ethical system: Modified Divine Command Theory. The problem is that in making this kind of a
defense, the only kind they have available, they open up the fact that they
can’t give an argument as to what is wrong with an atheistic account of
goodness which similarly terminates into a basic moral primitive.
This is a critique used by atheistic philosopher Erik
Wielenberg, which is related to the idea of moral goodness being a primitive.
The idea is that there are simply moral brute facts, in that
love “just is” good, and that we don’t require or can’t have a deeper
explanation as to why. It’s not a
logically necessary truth, but rather a simple brute fact – something that
exists that has no explanation.
Apologists who defend a Modified Divine Command Theory can’t
really object here, because their solution to the problem suffers from exactly
the same issue. The concept that “god
has a loving nature” is itself a brute fact!
Notice how there is no explanation as to why god’s nature is
loving instead of say hateful. Appeals
to gods definition as the “greatest conceivable being” doesn’t help here
because you can’t say god’s nature includes love because it is better than hate
without already having a concept of moral value that is external to god’s
nature. Neither can an apologist appeal
to god’s nature as a necessary being. This is because even if Christians
conceive of god as having a loving nature in every possible world, there’s no
logical reason as to why we couldn’t say god has a hateful nature in every
possible world instead.
So if Christians have a moral system which ends in a kind of
moral brute fact, why exactly can’t the atheist offer their own meta-ethical
account of goodness which terminates in a moral brute fact? This is the basis for Erik Wielenberg’s
defense of a non-natural moral realism which takes precisely this kind of
view. If true, it establishes a kind of
moral realism that is completely compatible with atheism, and it rests on the
same kind of “moral primitives” that a modified divine command theory relies
on.
But Why Value That?
It's hard to understate the last point, because it serves to
highlight the fundamental problem with apologetic objections to atheistic value
systems.
Consider this description and supposed refutation of
Humanism by Apologist Michael Horner, who cites William Lane Craig in his paper
"Evidence for God from Morality":
"Humanism – Whatever promotes human flourishing & survival is
good and whatever weakens it is bad. If we want to promote human flourishing,
then we ought to live co-operatively OR we ought to follow the Golden Rule.
Some people have often said the Golden Rule is the objective foundation for
morality.
●
The
naturalistic humanist has no access to the critical assumption - which is that
human beings are objectively valuable.
●
Not only
is this confusing knowing objective moral values with finding the foundation
for those moral values, there is no more obligation to these rules than “if you
want this slime mold to flourish, then you should keep the temperature and
humidity moderate.” [Craig]
Humans are merely more complex slime that have evolved certain complex
features by a completely accidental, impersonal process (unless God was behind
it). Therefore, they/we are no more valuable than slime.
Objection: There are different philosophical understandings of what
"objective" means.
Answer: Most people are thinking of being able to reason objectively to
the right thing to do, given certain basic beliefs like it is wrong to harm
human beings, but again they do not seem to understand that they do not have
access to that assumption if there is no God and human beings are just
accidental arrangements of atoms and that the notion of objective that we are
looking for contain the idea of ‘foundation.’"
Notice two things.
First is the idea that just because "humans are evolved
via an accidental, impersonal process" we are "no more valuable than
slime". This of course does not
follow, because humans aren't only describable
as things which evolved via an accidental, impersonal process. We have other qualities which provide a relevant
difference between us and slime, or any other combination of atoms. Namely, we have the ability to reason, do
calculus, poetry, and philosophy. We have the ability to love and form
relationships, and the ability to be happy or sad.
An atheist is perfectly justified in giving those attributes
as the reason why humans are to be considered more valuable than slime, and
there really isn't anything an apologist can say in response to that.
This is because this is the basic philosophical primitive an
atheist has for defining value. Contrast
this with the apologist reason for why a human being has value: Because they
were created in the image of god, and god is simply defined as value.
An atheist can just as easily retort: But why value god?
Simply saying that god is defined as value adds no weight to the theists case
because we don’t accept that definition.
In both cases, each side has given their definition of value
in terms of a philosophical primitive, and it's up to an individual to decide
whether or not they think that can account for it. I will point out however that at least the
atheist can define value in terms of things that we understand, whereas the
theist merely points to some concept of "god" as an additional
reference.
Moral Absolutism
& Modified Divine Command Theory
At this point I’ve shown that apologists must embrace the
first horn of a modified Euthyphro dilemma – to defend the moral argument they
must hold that something is good if and only if it is part of god’s
nature.
Modified Divine Command Theory entails that moral values are
grounded in god’s unchanging nature. In moral philosophy, this entails a
deontological view of ethics. This means
that moral values are based on absolute principles. A moral absolute would be something like “it
is always wrong to tell a lie”, which is a principle we necessarily derive on
Modified Divine Command Theory if we believed that god’s nature was inherently
truthful.
Deontological ethics isn’t something new, nor is it a form
of meta-ethics that is exclusive to theism (see Kant), but at this point even
undergraduate philosophy students know the basic objection to this kind of
ethical system: What about ethical
situations that morally compel us to tell a lie? The textbook example would be lying to the SS
officers in Nazi Germany that you weren’t hiding Jews in your house, even if
you were.
Modified Divine Command Theory has no
way to get around this problem in a principled manner. If god's necessary nature is truthful, then
by definition it is always wrong to tell a lie - even to the Nazi's looking for
Jews in your house!
One possible answer I've seen was given by Christian apologist Michael Horner (46:45 time stamp),
where he describes something called "graded absolutism" which is to
say that multiple moral absolutes apply in a given situation, and as such we
should apply the greater moral absolute in the situation. He even uses the Nazi example and says he has
"no trouble realizing" that the greater moral absolute is to protect
human lives.
Horner concedes that this is a controversial response among
Christian philosophers, and it's easy to see why. The problem is that if god's necessary nature
is the absolute standard of goodness, how can there be any possible gradation
of his nature? Is one aspect of his nature to be considered more "good"
than another aspect? And even if it could,
by what standard are we supposed to be able to determine what that even is?
This is especially problematic because in order to do so the theist would have
to point to a standard outside of god for determining the priority of moral
absolutes. This leaves the theist with seeming no way to resolve even the most
basic of moral paradoxes like the Trolley Problem.
Christianity and Modified
Divine Command Theory being Arbitrary
So far we’ve seen that Modified Divine Command Theory ends
up embracing the first horn of a modified Euthyphro dilemma. What I intend to
show next is a problem specific to Christianity, that by embracing the first
horn of the Euthyphro even MDCT ends up being just as arbitrary as the original
Divine Command Theory.
As stated, a key component of Modified Divine Command Theory
is that moral obligation literally is following the commands of a (supposedly)
loving god. The technical term for this is “ontologically equivalent”. This
means that if we fail to follow god’s commands, then it is specifically a moral
failing.
The problem for Christians is that their theology entails
that god has issued contradictory commands, specifically between the old and
new testament.
The Old Testament has divine commands prohibiting eating
pork or shellfish, commands that all male babies be circumcised, and includes
provisions on how a married couple may divorce.
Conversely, the New Testament explicitly tells us that it is
morally permissible to eat pork, that we don’t actually have to cut off the
foreskin of a baby male penis, and that it has always been immoral for a
married couple to divorce.
Each reversal on these moral obligations highlights the same
problem for Christians:
In each case the act itself must either be good or bad, or
in MDCT terms, in accordance with or against god’s nature.
If the act itself is against god’s nature, then MDCT faces
an internal contradiction – god would have commanded something contrary to his
nature.
This leaves us with the idea that each act is actually in
accord with god’s nature, but god commanded that the action be prohibited
anyway – meaning at least some of our moral obligations are arbitrary after
all.
I want to emphasize that a standard apologetic response to
this problem is irrelevant to the charge of arbitrariness. Typically an apologist will say that
theologians (not the bible itself!) will divide the law into different
categories – the moral law, the ceremonial law, and the judicial law. The theory goes that only the moral law
reflects god’s necessary nature, whereas ceremonial laws like the ones
describing circumcision or food prohibitions do not.
The issue is twofold – first this is a case of human
theologians creating differences that aren’t explicitly in the text itself. If
ever there was a case of picking and choosing what to follow, this certainly
seems to be it. However even if we grant the distinctions made here, we still
have the issue that god commanded the ceremonial law. Since moral obligations just are divine
commands, failing to follow any divine command is itself a moral failing. This means that in at least some cases what
is morally wrong is in fact completely arbitrary – like not eating pork or
shellfish.
The problem gets worse for Christians because one of these
commands isn’t a case of something being prohibited and then being permissible.
In the case of divorce we have an instance of god in the Old Testament giving
guidelines where divorce is permissible, but in the New Testament saying that
it has always been wrong. If god’s
nature is unchanging, this means that in the Old Testament god has explicitly
lied to the Jews about what is and is not moral. Certainly the bible gives us a reason why god
told the ancient Israelites divorce was permissible – because their hearts were
hard, however this doesn’t solve the problem. Even if he had a morally
justified reason, god still told the ancient Israelites that something actually
immoral was morally permissible. No
matter how you slice it, this is an instance of god lying to humanity, which
begs the question of what other things god has lied about in his supposed
divine revelation.
This touches on a currently hard problem for theists who
embrace what’s known as “Skeptical Theism” as a response to the evidential
problem of evil. In short, if god has
unknown morally sufficient reasons for permitting seemingly gratuitous evils to
bring about some greater unknown goods – the theist has no principled reason to
believe god doesn’t have similar reasons to lie to us in order to bring about
greater unknown goods. For more
information I encourage readers to check out Justin Schieber’s Real Atheology video on the subject.
Distorting our
understanding of Goodness
A Christian who believes in MDCT may try to take solace in
the fact that while god may have some of our moral obligations be arbitrary, or
may even temporarily permit us to do
something that is actually evil because it can’t be avoided, at least there is
still an absolute standard god cannot cross: God couldn’t actually command us
to do something evil.
Here we get into one of the most devastating objections to
Christian Modified Divine Command Theory – the fact that god has commanded what
we would strongly intuit as moral abominations.
Consider the Amalekite genocide explicitly commanded by god
in 1 Samuel 15:1-3. Here god commands
that Saul destroy all Amalekites – “men and women, children and infants, cattle
and sheep, camels and donkeys”.
For my purposes here it doesn’t matter if you think that
somehow the Amalekites (including the children and infants) deserved what was
coming, or that the children and infants murdered would go directly to heaven
when killed. What is important to note
is that if Modified Divine Command Theory is true, then not only do the Israelites
commanded to kill children and infants on the basis of their race have an
explicitly moral obligation to do so, we must also conclude that such an act is
compatible with god’s nature.
But if god’s nature is ontologically equivalent with
“goodness” then this means that killing children and infants on the basis of
their race is not a morally absolute principle and can in fact constitute a
moral obligation under the right circumstances.
The problem is that this conclusion seems to violate our
strongly held pre-theoretical moral intuitions that the moral argument requires
for premise two to be justified. I mean
if my moral intuition that it is always wrong to kill children and infants on
the basis of their race is false, then what could my moral intuitions be
correct about?
At this point you might think it is a devastating point
against specifically Christian or Jewish versions of Modified Divine Command
theory, but I’d like to illustrate exactly how pernicious religious
fundamentalism is.
Much like how apologists seek to have us re-evaluate our
understanding of goodness in order to explain away the Problem of Evil, we can
see how strict adherence to Modified Divine Command Theory warps people’s
perception of goodness.
Normally when confronted with the idea that “killing
children and infants because they belong to a specific race is morally
obligatory when god commands it” is such a gross violation of our moral
intuitions that it would cause us to question the moral system that leads us to
such a conclusion. However, once an
apologist is so heavily invested in defending Modified Divine Command Theory,
we can see them turn into moral monsters and actually defend the idea that god
can command these deaths. Here is
William Lane Craig in his own words:
“According
to the version of divine command ethics which I’ve defended, our moral duties
are constituted by the commands of a holy and loving God. Since God doesn’t issue commands to Himself,
He has no moral duties to fulfill. He is
certainly not subject to the same moral obligations and prohibitions that we
are. For example, I have no right to
take an innocent life. For me to do so
would be murder. But God has no such
prohibition. He can give and take life
as He chooses. We all recognize this
when we accuse some authority who presumes to take life as “playing God.” Human authorities arrogate to themselves
rights which belong only to God. God is
under no obligation whatsoever to extend my life for another second. If He wanted to strike me dead right now,
that’s His prerogative.
What
that implies is that God has the right to take the lives of the Canaanites when
He sees fit. How long they live and when
they die is up to Him.
So
the problem isn’t that God ended the Canaanites’ lives. The problem is that He commanded the Israeli
soldiers to end them. Isn’t that like
commanding someone to commit murder? No,
it’s not. Rather, since our moral duties
are determined by God’s commands, it is commanding someone to do something
which, in the absence of a divine command, would have been murder. The act was morally obligatory for the
Israeli soldiers in virtue of God’s command, even though, had they undertaken
it on their on initiative, it would have been wrong.
On
divine command theory, then, God has the right to command an act, which, in the
absence of a divine command, would have been sin, but which is now morally
obligatory in virtue of that command.
All
right; but isn’t such a command contrary to God’s nature? Well, let’s look at the case more
closely. It is perhaps significant that
the story of Yahweh’s destruction of Sodom--along with his solemn assurances to
Abraham that were there as many as ten righteous persons in Sodom, the city
would not have been destroyed--forms part of the background to the conquest of
Canaan and Yahweh’s command to destroy the cities there. The implication is that the Canaanites are
not righteous people but have come under God’s judgement.
But
why take the lives of innocent children?
The terrible totality of the destruction was undoubtedly related to the
prohibition of assimilation to pagan nations on Israel’s part. In commanding complete destruction of the
Canaanites, the Lord says, “You shall not intermarry with them, giving your
daughters to their sons, or taking their daughters for your sons, for they
would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods” (Deut
7.3-4). This command is part and parcel
of the whole fabric of complex Jewish ritual law distinguishing clean and
unclean practices.
...
By
setting such strong, harsh dichotomies God taught Israel that any assimilation
to pagan idolatry is intolerable. It was
His way of preserving Israel’s spiritual health and posterity. God knew that if these Canaanite children
were allowed to live, they would spell the undoing of Israel. The killing of the Canaanite children not
only served to prevent assimilation to Canaanite identity but also served as a
shattering, tangible illustration of Israel’s being set exclusively apart for
God.”
-William Lane Craig, Reasonable
Faith Website: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/slaughter-of-the-canaanites
Notice the absolute absurdity that on believing the only
possible person god could have wrong when he commands the killing of children
and infants would be wronging the soldiers he commanded to do the killing.
What’s worse is Craig’s justification for killing the
children – because any assimilation of pagan idolatry would be
intolerable. However this explanation
doesn’t make sense in the case of small children and infants who would have
absolutely no concept of pagan idolatry and could then be assimilated into
Israelite culture, even if we assume that the parents and older children had to
be killed for some absurd reason.
THIS is what is so terrifying about moral theories like
Modified Divine Command Theory. It transforms an ordinary and otherwise
seemingly upstanding person like William Lane Craig, someone I have no doubt
would make every effort to try to save my life if I were sitting next to him at
dinner and started choking, into defending the genocide of children and infants
as morally obligatory.
I could use other examples of other apologists defending as
necessary the slavery codes of the Old Testament which allow keeping non-Jewish
people as slaves as personal property in perpetuity, where one is allowed to
beat their slave so severely that so long as they recover there is no
punishment for the owner. This is also
in the Bible with god’s divine commands providing the rules in which these
slaves were kept. Christians who hold to
MDCT must now accept that “owning another person as your property” is not
absolutely morally wrong given their theology.
Modified Divine
Command Theory & Moral Obligations
Given the issues outlined above with using the moral
argument as a basis for the existence of “moral values”, apologists often turn
to talk about how only theism can provide a basis for moral obligations. A moral obligation is something that we “ought”
to do – for instance if we see someone drowning and we have the ability to save
them, we ought to go in and save the person.
Modified Divine Command Theory claims that our moral
obligations and prohibitions are directly constituted by a loving god’s
commands.
But this is self-defeating. Because if our moral obligations are
constituted by god’s commands, where does our moral obligation to follow god’s
commands come from?
Does god issue a command to follow his commands? What about
the obligation to follow that command? This quickly falls into an infinite
regress problem.
This is an issue because Christianity and other theologies
teach that we have a specifically moral obligation to follow god’s commands.
Apologists have an answer to this tricky problem, here’s our
favorite William Lane Craig:
“So
how does Divine Command Theory derive an “ought” from an “is”? Well, it says
that we ought to do something because it is commanded by God. That is deriving
an “ought” from an “is.” Someone might
demand, “Why are we obligated to do something just because it is commanded by
God?” The answer to that question comes, I think, by reflecting on the nature
of moral duty. Duty arises in response to an imperative from a competent
authority.”
-William Lane Craig, “Does Theistic
Ethics Derive an Ought from an Is?” http://www.reasonablefaith.org/does-theistic-ethics-derive-an-ought-from-an-is
First off, this move doesn’t save modified divine command
theory from being self-refuting on the subject of moral obligations – it
reinforces it. Notice how the obligation
to follow god’s commands doesn’t come from god’s commands, it comes from the
nature of authority. So at least some
moral duties aren’t constituted by god’s commands – specifically the obligation
to follow god’s commands!
A theist may be tempted to say that this isn’t a moral
obligation, but a more general form of obligation. I don’t think that works, because then the
theist would have to say that a person does nothing morally wrong by failing to
obey god’s commands. But MDCT says that specifically our moral obligations come
from god’s commands, which would entail a contradiction.
This rather glaring problem aside, I want to move to the
bigger picture with respect to the moral argument and moral obligations.
My issue is not so much with what Craig does to define moral
duties, or even with the kind of move that Craig is making. While I disagree with how he defines the
nature of a moral duty, I think the validity of this kind of move is perfectly
fine. We’re very quickly coming up with the kind of “philosophical primitive”
kind of issue I highlighted previously with moral values.
The main problem for Craig and other apologists is that by
making this move, they undermine the central premise of the moral argument
–that moral duties can only exist if god exists.
This is because much like defining moral values as
“ontologically equivalent to god’s nature” it’s just as trivially self-serving
to define “moral duties” as “arising from an imperative from a competent
authority.”
This is actually indicative of a larger problem for MDCT,
since Craig admits that the theory violates a famous problem in meta-ethics:
the is/ought distinction.
The point here isn’t that MDCT violates the is/ought
distinction and therefore it’s wrong. Philosophers have debated the is/ought
problem for centuries, and it remains controversial. The issue for Craig and other apologists is
that by violating the is/ought distinction in this specific way, they expose
themselves as equivalent to other meta-ethical theories that can make an
equivalent move by bridging the is/ought gap to serve their basis for moral
obligations.
Conclusion
The moral argument is more about apologists insisting on
their definition or conception of morality and then pretending that this is the
only way to avoid nihilism or relativism.
I've covered how this is not the only conception of morality
that can avoid a collapse into nihilism or relativism, and how this conception
of morality makes a mockery of our deeply held moral intuitions.
What's more, is that when apologists attempt to defend the
theory behind the moral argument, they invariably use methods that can
ultimately be used just as well to justify other conceptions of morality that
don't require a belief in god.
you are taking on the crummy version of the moral argument. The version that says universal Moral values exist and are indicative of God is circular and unprovable.
ReplyDeleteGood moral arguments include Kant's we need God as a regulative concept for morality--note doesn't try to prove God exists, and God is the best explanation for the sense of moral imperative we have.
"God is the best explanation for the sense of moral imperative we have"
DeleteDon't confuse 'God' with the hope of an eternal reward. The best explanation we have for moral imperatives we have contrary to an evolutionary utilitarian framework, such as killing oneself in a jihadist terrorist attack, is NOT that any 'God' exists, but rather one gets an eternal reward for following that imperative.
The moral argument for God's existence isn't taken seriously. For example, if there *were* objective morals:
1) There would be only one such moral framework from one religion, not over 2000.
2) There would be no interpretation of said frameworks, they would all be unambiguous.
3) No one would have moral feelings that conflict with said morals. For example, the Bible promotes slavery, punishes thought crimes, demeans women, maltreats animals, rejects freedom of thought and expression, and even justifies murder and genocide. Do you disagree with even ONE of the above points? The only explanation provided to such counter-moral feelings, if an apologist is courageous enough to even respond, is to declare such feelings are the work of evil supernatural beings (demons).
It's a joke. You don't even need to get into the complex illogical propositions that are exposed by Euthyphro.
God is the best explanation for the sense of moral imperative we have"
DeleteDon't confuse 'God' with the hope of an eternal reward. The best explanation we have for moral imperatives we have contrary to an evolutionary utilitarian framework,
reward or punishment has nothing to do with it that's a red herrinng. you have no grounding for your axioms, teleologiocal ethics is unfounded Rawls disproved it,
such as killing oneself in a jihadist terrorist attack, is NOT that any 'God' exists, but rather one gets an eternal reward for following that imperative.
total red herring we are not talking about Islamist we are talking about my beliefs
The moral argument for God's existence isn't taken seriously. For example, if there *were* objective morals:
argument from popularity
1) There would be only one such moral framework from one religion, not over 2000.
foolish assumption. one God = one religion is a silly idea it;s obviously not true if you think about Judaism and Christianity
2) There would be no interpretation of said frameworks, they would all be unambiguous.
like most atheists you know nothing about liberal theology you assume fundamentalism is the only Christianity there is
3) No one would have moral feelings that conflict with said morals. For example, the Bible promotes slavery, punishes thought crimes, demeans women, maltreats animals, rejects freedom of thought and expression, and even justifies murder and genocide. Do you disagree with even ONE of the above points?
the Bible does not promote slavery. Paul said slave traders are the worst of sinnes
The only explanation provided to such counter-moral feelings, if an apologist is courageous enough to even respond, is to declare such feelings are the work of evil supernatural beings (demons).
all of that assumes fundamentalism is the only form of Christianity like most most atheists you are ignorant of theology
It's a joke. You don't even need to get into the complex illogical propositions that are exposed by Euthyphro.
you re not ready to take on a real thinker, you are stuckin the mnessage board God hater club mentality
you are not ready for real intellectual exchhange
Your argument is merely obfuscating between different views you don't intend to hold but are wiling to trot out to beat up on Christianity, When you need an alternative to crass reductionism you will turn to Platonism knowing full you would never advocate it. It's only there so the Christian can't claim that only god provides valid grounding for axiom.
ReplyDeleteYou do not provide a n alternative that you would actually stick with.
The way you et yourself out of difficulties is absurd. Your answer on modified divine command theory: "But this is self-defeating. Because if our moral obligations are constituted by god’s commands, where does our moral obligation to follow god’s commands come from?" Obviously from the same place. That's saying "the rules don't say tov follow the rules." The idea of calling them obligtiomns means they are obligatory.,
You are depending upon a super literalism to pull off the trick. I don't have to assert that moral obligations comes from literal commands but from the obvious opblogatry nature of virtues ethics.
Moral Axioms are founded upon value systems and value system are base upon God's values they don't have to be verbalized the from of actual imperatives.
The version of divine command theory that you take on is a very literalized idea of "command." you have not come to terms with the fact that you have nothing with which to counter the allegation that God supplies their strongest grounding.
These arguments are just so silly. Divine Command Theory presupposes that there is a God and the moral framework provided via the Bible are his commands. BUT THEN WHY ALL THE CONFUSION? Isn't it obvious that the Bible was written by men with political and personal agendas? You don;t even have to argue the moral argument because WE DON"T HAVE A MORAL FRAMEWORK PROVIDED BY GOD. All we have is words written down by men. If we ever did have a divine command, unambiguously provided by God, THEN we could argue the nature of goodness and whether it was a moral framework. Until then, this debate is just noise.
Deletecalling an argument names is a disproof, you failed to offer any answer to the actual argument Imde
Deleteanother thing, I find your term GMO a mocking caricature of religious thought like Dennett's :wonder tissue." That doesn't bode well for your credibility. although there is a lot of thoughtfulness going into your work.
ReplyDeletehere is part 2 of answer to your argument
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here is part 1 of my response to this argument
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This is an excellent post. Your response to the argument aligns almost exactly with that which I'm preparing. Its so refreshing to see a thought-through response to the moral argument that draws upon genuine philosophical knowledge and concepts, rather than the usual tripe atheists throw back.
ReplyDeletethanks man. I hope you will read my blog and comment on it, let me know when you answer
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