tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post6233766046727305056..comments2023-10-15T08:36:48.841-07:00Comments on A Counter Apologist Blog: The Quiverfull movement and Skeptical TheismA Counter Apologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173218521712325250noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-53244455366458157282013-10-15T11:29:11.454-07:002013-10-15T11:29:11.454-07:00Thanks for your explanation. I wish you and your d...Thanks for your explanation. I wish you and your daughter the best.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10993672682151476618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-73298112474770955202013-10-11T10:20:52.235-07:002013-10-11T10:20:52.235-07:00I hope to be making more soon, largely it's ju...I hope to be making more soon, largely it's just a combo if my daughter being nearly a year old now, and work going insane. <br /><br />Hardest part for me is making the slides to go with the audio, that takes a ton of time lately, and when I get home I (happily) have to spend a lot more time taking care of my daughter now that she's almost a year old. <br /><br />The other part is that we had layoffs at my job, which means that I've had my work load increase. A Counter Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173218521712325250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-86078955231787478752013-10-11T08:50:00.367-07:002013-10-11T08:50:00.367-07:00Why aren't you making YouTube videos anymore?Why aren't you making YouTube videos anymore?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10993672682151476618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-25666159618635427032013-10-10T07:33:28.368-07:002013-10-10T07:33:28.368-07:00Ehh, I can see various interpretations being possi...Ehh, I can see various interpretations being possible, but I think that's immaterial. Flowery language written millenia ago is going to be "open to interpretation". <br /><br />This is part of the problem with the bible and hermeneutics, but that's its own issue. :)A Counter Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173218521712325250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-34170972009944509602013-10-10T07:18:52.891-07:002013-10-10T07:18:52.891-07:00Lothar,
I think you may have misunderstood things...Lothar,<br /><br />I think you may have misunderstood things. Skeptical theism is a response to the evidential problem of evil. You don’t have to embrace it yourself, and indeed it appears you don’t:<br /><br />“I believe that God is bound by His perfect nature to always seek the eternal happiness of all his creatures but I don't see why He cannot tolerate temporary suffering and hardships, given the perspective of eternity everyone of us lacks.”<br /><br />This is its own response, separate from Skeptical Theism, but then it isn’t addressing the problem of gratuitous evil which is what Skeptical Theism tries to avoid specifically (though many extend it to the general evidential problem of evil). <br /><br />I think your response is especially flawed since there’s no reason put forward that would prevent god from realizing everyone immediately into the state of eternal happiness, so there’s no need for suffering. You can try to claim a process of soul-making is necessary, but then the “goodness” of soul-making is ungrounded or you have to admit a source of goodness exists outside of god, since god by definition couldn’t have gone through such a process of soul-making.<br /><br />This is however a completely side issue from the point of this post. The point is that Skeptical Theism IS a bad response, and that most people who embrace it do not apply the logic consistently in their lives. The point of this post is to show how terrible it is when a fringe extremist brand of Christianity DOES apply the logic of Skeptical Theism consistently. <br /><br />The point is to show the absurdity of Skeptical Theism, and to show that moderate/progressive Christians can’t both embrace Skeptical Theism and also condemn the logic used by the fringe members of the Quiverfull movement. A Counter Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173218521712325250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-30702501810592512502013-10-10T06:09:34.759-07:002013-10-10T06:09:34.759-07:00This is not the worst things you can find the psal...This is not the worst things you can find the psalms. <br />You can also find one psalmist praying that God will dash the children of his foes against rock.<br />On the other hand you also find beautiful passages about love, forgiveness and hope. <br /><br /><br />These are, to use Thom Stark's wonderful expressions, the human faces of God, as contradictory as our own lifes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-59810792867974698832013-10-09T19:06:57.204-07:002013-10-09T19:06:57.204-07:00I recently engaged in a bit of a discussion about ...I recently engaged in a bit of a discussion about Psalm 127 for which the Quiverfull movement is named. http://www.strangenotions.com/very-sad-childfree-life/<br /><br />"Like arrows in the hands of a warrior, are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them."<br /><br />Incredible that the Catholics commenting either could not accept that the passage was describing children as weapons in possession of their father, or that this actually was a good metaphor somehow!<br /><br />I think you are right. Theistic skepticism is just an idea put out to deflect the problem of evil/suffering. No one really applies it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8766213929139682844.post-45595023746449318622013-10-09T16:10:55.350-07:002013-10-09T16:10:55.350-07:00Hello John. This is a good point you already menti...Hello John. This is a good point you already mentioned in your talk with Jon Pearce and Justin Schieber. <br />But it is important to notice that this is, this time, a pragmatic and non-evidential argument. <br /><br />My landsman existentialist Albert Camus realized this more than 60 ago in his novel "The Plague" where a priest adamantly opposed all efforts to combat the epidemic because this would be "acting against God." <br /><br />I certainly have no clear answer. <br /><br />It seems to be more of a problem for those (like Calvinists) who believe that evil is God's product rather than a by-product. <br /><br /><br />As a human being, I see it as my duty to love my fellow humans (even my enemies) as myself, ideally in a self-sacrificial way. <br /><br />I believe that God is bound by His perfect nature to always seek the eternal happiness of all his creatures <br />http://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/salvation-by-love-erlosung-durch-die-liebe-unten/<br />but I don't see why He cannot tolerate temporary suffering and hardships, given the perspective of eternity everyone of us lacks.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com